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Monday, May 14, 2012

An "Open Letter" to Todd Strandberg of Rapture Ready.Com web site


Dave MacPherson, renown researcher into the origins of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture to Heaven myth, has been critized severly by many proponents of that unbiblical doctrine. He has written several books and hundreds of article regarding this subject, solely to apprise his fellow Christians that Pre-Trib dogma is not scriptural. He has reached out to many authors, teachers, evangelists and others who promote "Pre-Trib" in an effort to discuss the issue and hopefully that together he and proponents can arrive at a mutual understanding concerning the matter can be resolved for the edification of the church to move forward and be a more effective force to bring unbelievers into the Kingdom of God. Yet, 100% of "Pre-Trib" proponents reject his outreach and, instead, continue to publicly attack him. Why? If proponents of "Pre-Trib" are convinced in their polemic, why do they fear having an open dialogue?

Below is an open letter Dave sent to Todd Strandberg over 10 years ago to discuss this matter, and he has never received so much as an "I'm not interested" response, instead, Strandberg stands by his claims and has never made any changes to his web site!


            OPEN LETTER TO TODD STRANDBERG
                  (by Dave MacPherson in 2001)
Sergeant Strandberg (of "Rapture Ready" fame):
     It has come to my attention here at this Air Force base that you, as a supply sergeant, have been accepting items of inferior and even dangerous quality!
     Now, it's true that your actions are far from deserving a court-martial. But let me remind you, Sergeant, that your reputation is in jeopardy, and if you don't improve the quality of the items you distribute, the Commander-in-Chief who's over both of us may have some words with you one of these days!
     Sergeant, now where in the world did you get some of those substandard items that are in your "Margaret MacDonald Who?" article that's in the "Pretribulation Rapture" section of your "Rapture Ready" website?
     You maintain that I "have never been able to prove that Darby ever heard of MacDonald or her vision."
     FACTS: In John Darby's book The Irrationalism of Infidelity (1853), pp. 283-5, he described in great detail his visit with her in her home in Scotland in mid-1830 and even talked about her endtime outlook and the Scriptural texts she used for support! (All this is in my book The Incredible Cover-up.)
     Then you claim that Darby's pretrib view was derived from "the distinction between Israel and the church."
     FACTS: Darby's first clear pretrib teaching, in his "Notes on the Revelation" (1839), p. 206, was based on only the symbol (!) of the man child "caught up" in Rev. 12:5----and this was his pretrib basis for 30 years (from the 1830's to the 1860's)! Interestingly, this symbol was Edward Irving's pretrib basis in his "Interpretation of the Old-Testament Prophecies quoted in the New" (The Morning Watch, June, 1831, p. 301)----a full eight years before Darby "appropriated" Irving's idea!
     You then assert that Darby discovered the pretrib rapture concept in 1827.
     FACTS: Darby himself wrote in his "Short but serious Examination of...'Daniel the Prophet'" (1850), p. 67, that he came to "understand" pretrib in 1830 and not 1827----an understanding that came to him only afterthe Irvingite journal The Morning Watch (which he regularly read) began to clearly teach pretrib in its Sep., 1830 issue (which saw "Philadelphia" raptured, in a partial rapture scheme, before "the great tribulation," pp. 510, 514!).
     And you foolishly declare that Margaret Macdonald (it was spelled this way) couldn't have been a pretrib because she taught that the "Church" will be persecuted by the Antichrist.
     FACTS: For more than 30 years I've emphasized, in my books and articles and while guesting on worldwide talk shows, that the Irvingites, as well as Margaret, taught pretrib before Darby did.
     My critics, wishing to divert attention away from unmistakably clear pretrib teaching by Irvingites, have focused instead on uneducated Margaret and her brief and somewhat unclear revelation account. They also know that she held to partial rapturism which sees PART of the "church" taken in a pretrib rapture and the REST of the "church" enduring the trib. By covering up her pretrib rapture ("one taken and the other left" before "THE WICKED" is "revealed") and emphasizing her posttrib-flavored statements like "The trial of the Church is from Antichrist," they can hopefully discredit her as the originator and give that honor to someone else who seems to have a better reputation! Incidentally, all partial rapturists including Pember and Govett have always described the ones "left behind" as the "Church" (the way Margaret talked) and even John Walvoord's books classify partial rapturists as "pretribulationists"!
     Since some of the emotional and spiritual cripples on your Rapture Ready message board have gotten the impression from someone with little conscience (I wonder who!) that I am a heretical (and even Satanic) liar that no one should ever listen to, I am forced to tell you that since the early 1970's my books on pretrib history have been publicly endorsed by a galaxy of leading evangelical theologians as well as church history experts----scholars from Merrill Tenney and F. F. Bruce to Robert Gundry and Walter Martin. [Google "Scholars Weigh My Research."]
     Finally, Sergeant, in order to shore up your collapsing pillar of pretrib sand, you seem to enjoy dropping names like Thomas Ice, Pseudo-Ephraem, Morgan Edwards, and Manuel Lacunza.
     FACTS: Whenever I see a photo of Ice, I'm reminded that your site considers him the "heavy" artillery who constantly shoots off his mouth about the "pretrib" outlook of the last three names. I wonder, Sergeant, what your fans will think when they discover my "Deceiving and Being Deceived" article (on many sites) which exposes the plagiarism, document revisionism, phony "Dr." degrees, cover-up and other pretrib dishonesty, and which also proves that Pseudo-Ephraem, Edwards, and Lacunza had the historical habit of blending together the rapture and the final advent! [Google "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" and "The Rapture Index (Mad Theology)."]
     Sergeant, since you are dedicated to the Commander-in-Chief and His love of truth and want His promotion, I expect you to wipe that grin off your face and clean up your site!
     Rapturously,
    
     "Colonel" Dave MacPherson

Being that Dave MacPherson does not have a web site nor a blog (due to the fact he and his wife Wanda travel all over the country lecturing at various churches and schools), we, at The End Times Passover have offered Dave the use of our site to send out what he considers important messages. If you would like to discuss the open letter or have any questions for Dave MacPherson, please feel free to use our comment section at the end of this message, and we will immediately relay your information to him. Or, you can send him and email, in care of Joe Ortiz, directly to my email address at: Joe.Ortiz9299@GMail.com.

Thank you!

Joe Ortiz

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Here in the Kansas City, Missouri area we are finding more and more Christian leaders who are now teaching that the Christian Church will be on earth for at least a good part of the great tribulation - and Jim Bakker in southern Missouri, who is widely seen on his Jim Bakker Show, is another leader who has adopted such a view. My thanks to you, Bro. Joe, for airing Bro. Dave's devastating historical discoveries which always include sources and pages. If a driver can always have a spare tire while trusting the Lord, I see no harm in believers have a "spare tire" rapture view while trusting the same Lord. May the Lord continue to bless you along with the biblical writers that are quoted on your exciting, timely, and vital web sites!
Bro. Jon Edwards

Anonymous said...

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink," as the saying goes. In like manner you can lead a pretrib rapture teacher to facts, but you can't make him think! And your revealing article here about Todd Strandberg proves this. Evidently some teachers will have to learn some things the hard, screaming way. Too bad! Am grateful for your blog which does a good job keeping us posted. Betty

Anonymous said...

I am surprised that so many persons see value in the "Rapture Index" that Todd Strandberg has dreamed up (even TIME magazine was taken in and featured it in an article!). The so-called Index lists 45 or so "precursors," that is, world events that reportedly show how close a pretrib rapture is. (Never mind that his rapture is supposed to be a "signless" event and that he gets around this problem by calling his signs "precursors" LOL!) Todd asserts that these "precursors" are fulfilled before, and lead up to, an any-moment pretrib rapture, which is why they're called PREcursors. But guess what. All of them can (and will be) fulfilled AFTER the point in time for a pretrib rapture, are actually fulfilled DURING the tribulation, and in reality are precursors to ONLY the final second coming to earth! For example, one of his precursors is the "Antichrist" which, pretribs say, cannot appear or be known before their rapture! (Talk about putting the cart before the horse!) Pretribs may have an emotional (or other) reason to stretch the End forward in time - but they don't have a valid biblical reason to do so. I am glad that your great blog here follows the truth of the Word.
John

Anonymous said...

Great article and great blog. You might say that pretribs are PREverts! Marco